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The Ultimate form of Creativity...

PostPosted:Sun Dec 18, 2005 5:13 pm
by 'The One'
Scientists should invent something which isn't dangerous but which could be attached to the head (by magnetic forces or something, since the brain uses inner-magnetic forces itself) and which could track and record what we are thinking AS we are thinking of it! Or it could read and record someones memories, and although the memories and/or thoughts would not be totally clear because the brain scrambles things, if they could put your thoughts into an understandable form, it would be a major step. For example, imagine if you had been dreaming or daydreaming ideas for excellent film plots and camera shots. The 'machine' invented could track the points of the axons of the nerve impulses in your brain and record your thoughts! Then, if this worked, they could use another 'machine' to turn your daydreams/dreams into fairly visible pictures and sound. THEN maybe ideas for film/game adaptations would be more like the authors had imagines they would be! I know it's a 'mad scientist' idea and I have only read a certain amount about the human brain but I'm sure with current or future technology this could be possible!...

PostPosted:Sat Mar 25, 2006 1:23 am
by 'The One'
The thing that attaches near to the brain could work like a camera crew's 'boom pole' even, using hairs to pick up sensitive waves from the brain or something to gather information (like how boom poles can apparently pick up sound from a close distance).

PostPosted:Sat Mar 25, 2006 2:58 pm
by C-Chamberlain
The processer would have to have to be "taught" how to process your brain waves. Each person uses their brain in about the same way. Emotions on one side, logic on the other, vision in one area, memories in another... etc. Here's where the processor whould have issues. You learned a new word today and you stored it in your memory. I learned that word today too and stored it in my memory. We each have it stored in a different area of our memory though and retrieve sequential events in different ways. Whatever way our brain stored it is how it will be retrieved. But I store it differently than you. In simple hypothetical terms, I stored it vertivcally and you stored it horizontally. When the computer goes to read that it would have to know how you stored that memory in order to retrieve it. It would also have to be able to "understand" how you are processing data (sights, sounds, smells) and have to process that as the same. You smell something bad and a signal is picked up. It would have to be able to "understand" that you are processing a bad smell and not getting the signal mixed up with the signal you are also producing to wrinkle your nose at the smell.
This may be coming across the wrong way. I believe this is an great idea. Someone just needs to come up with a processor that learns and translates our brain waves into the some digital format of information that correlates with what we were actually thinking.

PostPosted:Mon Mar 27, 2006 1:29 pm
by Rishi
C-Chamberlain wrote:The processer would have to have to be "taught" how to process your brain waves. Each person uses their brain in about the same way. Emotions on one side, logic on the other, vision in one area, memories in another... etc. Here's where the processor whould have issues. You learned a new word today and you stored it in your memory. I learned that word today too and stored it in my memory. We each have it stored in a different area of our memory though and retrieve sequential events in different ways. Whatever way our brain stored it is how it will be retrieved. But I store it differently than you. In simple hypothetical terms, I stored it vertivcally and you stored it horizontally. When the computer goes to read that it would have to know how you stored that memory in order to retrieve it. It would also have to be able to "understand" how you are processing data (sights, sounds, smells) and have to process that as the same. You smell something bad and a signal is picked up. It would have to be able to "understand" that you are processing a bad smell and not getting the signal mixed up with the signal you are also producing to wrinkle your nose at the smell.
This may be coming across the wrong way. I believe this is an great idea. Someone just needs to come up with a processor that learns and translates our brain waves into the some digital format of information that correlates with what we were actually thinking.


It may not be that simple. I think in 3-D space (no words) when I am designing or solving an engineering problem. When I am engrossed in classical music I use a totally different approach. Even when I speaking or writing I may be using english or one of four or five Indian languages.

As far as I know brain does not generate idea specific waves. A couple of decades back I had worked on a research project on consciousness at the National Institute of mental Health and Neuro Sciences. The brain does not seem to broadcast or even generate different wave forms for different activities, except for the Alpha, Theta kind of rythms.

This may only mean that we are unaware of such waves being produced. It just seems unlikely based on current evidence. Of course there are records of some form of telepathy between identical twins. The data as presented seems to be statistically compatible with telepathy. This may indicate that there could be some form of idea waves.

If this is true, exciting possibilities open up. Cell phone companies may evolve into something else.

rishi

PostPosted:Mon Mar 27, 2006 7:06 pm
by C-Chamberlain
Rishi, all very fascinating. I was going on my own theory. I guess my ignorance showed through. Was your work published?

PostPosted:Tue Mar 28, 2006 6:46 am
by Rishi
C-Chamberlain wrote:Rishi, all very fascinating. I was going on my own theory. I guess my ignorance showed through. Was your work published?


Dear Chris,
Actually it was my ignorance that was showing. Just because we do not know about something it does not mean that it does not exist. Scientists can also be guilty of bigotry. A very wise and holy person once advised me to keep an open mind and not trash paranormal phenomena simply because I had no direct evidence.

As a trained scientist one tends to question everyhthing and avoid taking anything purely on faith. However, honesty demands an open mind. Who knows? Thought waves may be round the corner. We should never curb our thinking and place some preconceived roadblocks.

To answer your question: We did not reach any results worth publishing.

rishi

PostPosted:Tue Jun 06, 2006 5:51 pm
by 'The One'
It is true, it would not be that simple because everyone has a different genetic code which relates to how they're made up which relates to...so on and so on, so basically almost anything is possible in this world, although, it just depends on the time, energy and devotion to making a particular thing work that is how things happen, so in other words, you would probably need a different machine for every different person, which would make THIS impossible to do because there are so many different people around the world and we could each be thinking in a different way when we use the 'machine', so actually of course it could not be that simple, even though things have been created in the world which everyone uses in general, like everyday home appliances, although, we're talking about the HUMAN BRAIN here, and I'm sorry that it is my fault I posted this in the first place, I must have been really stupid...I don't mean to critisize anyone or anyone's views, but maybe I did go too far with this one...maybe I'm just thinking of the future of what virtual reality could be like...but maybe we should do it without sticking wires in peoples' brains!...

The most complicated things we cannot explain in words, therefore, I don't think it would be wise to create something so sophisticated that we could not explain it ourselves...actually, would it even matter when humans have already made things sophisticated?...because I don't know about you, but I certainly don't know how to make a shuttle, or anything else these scientists and techno-people can make...

It was ju a theory I guess...Thank you all for listening though... :-) :-?

PostPosted:Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:31 pm
by ShotgunNinja
C-Chamberlain wrote:The processer would have to have to be "taught" how to process your brain waves. Each person uses their brain in about the same way. Emotions on one side, logic on the other, vision in one area, memories in another... etc. Here's where the processor whould have issues. You learned a new word today and you stored it in your memory. I learned that word today too and stored it in my memory. We each have it stored in a different area of our memory though and retrieve sequential events in different ways. Whatever way our brain stored it is how it will be retrieved. But I store it differently than you. In simple hypothetical terms, I stored it vertivcally and you stored it horizontally. When the computer goes to read that it would have to know how you stored that memory in order to retrieve it. It would also have to be able to "understand" how you are processing data (sights, sounds, smells) and have to process that as the same. You smell something bad and a signal is picked up. It would have to be able to "understand" that you are processing a bad smell and not getting the signal mixed up with the signal you are also producing to wrinkle your nose at the smell.
This may be coming across the wrong way. I believe this is an great idea. Someone just needs to come up with a processor that learns and translates our brain waves into the some digital format of information that correlates with what we were actually thinking.


Yeah... I have an exception.
Or I am an exception.

See, I have a disorder called Asperger's Syndrome, which was until recently considered a form of autism. Symptoms include extreme hyperfocusing (for this reason it is often associated with ADD/ADHD), high I.Q. (Einstein, Van Gogh, and Beethoven are said to have had it), and physical, social, and neural clumsiness.

I think I understand what you mean.

PostPosted:Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:34 pm
by 'The One'
Yeah, it must b very tough to live with. I have something known as dyspraxia, a different type of dyslexia, which relates to reading and writing. It's true, those kinds of problems don't just affect the areas they are described to affect. They also affect the rest of the person's brain functions too. I give you my condolences (if that's the right word) and understand a bit about what you mean.


I was thinking, what if the brain is solely made up of memories that you look back on, no matter what 'type' of memories they are, and when you aren't thinking of memories, the different parts of the brain could merely be working in conjunction with the body's muscles, only for physical purposes, even though people use the brain for working things out without using their body's muscles alot of the time...?

I just find that after you have been through alot of experiences, things boil down to mainly memories and bodily reactions, rather than having several complicated parts of the brain...or is that just my brain in its current worn out state (lol).

Of course, it could also be to do with whether you are relaxed or stressed...but I'm sure people know and that there's alot more to it...since it's all about your body's needs and levels of fulfilment, etc...

:-? :-) ;-)